[AVENDO VISTO STXI] In che universo ci troviamo?

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Messaggio da spones » 14 dic 2011, 16:14

Così da profano, a me sembra un ampliamento della teoria dei wormhole...

In pratica vorrebbe farci capire che si potrebbe andare dal nuovo universo (o dalla nuova linea temporale) al vecchio... mi sa che s'avvicina... BILLOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! :bravo:

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Messaggio da IlSisko » 14 dic 2011, 16:33

Per me è la prova che siamo in un universo parallelo e distinto da quello di Enterprise. :wink:

Il fatto che si possa andare e tornare da un determinato universo all'altro al momento mi sembra un tantino più complicato... :smokin:

La discussione si infuoca su TrekMovie ma Orci spiega pazientemente ciò che alcuni di noi avevano "compreso" e "accettato" da tempo... :smokin:

158. Shaun - December 14, 2011

so…why didn’t vulcan go through?

163. boborci - December 14, 2011

158. Also, as you just read above, the black hole has to be spinning. Not every black hole us spinning.

169. VZX - December 14, 2011


Holy crap on a hat, even Einstein stated the laws of physics would forbid such a thing to exist since wormholes require “exotic” energy to stay open. There is no way it could be stable long enough for even photon to go through.

Traveling towards a black hole: The tidal forces from any extremely dense object such as neutron stars and black holes would tear anything apart that gets close to it. Not only that, but time would slow down so much for those object that they would appear to get stuck in time so we couldn’t even witness the destruction.

172. boborci - December 14, 2011


169. VZX – December 14, 2011

Einstein also didn’t buy quantum mechanics, which is the most successful scientific theory in history.

As for the requirement of “exotic” energy… that’s why we had red matter.
Obviously, the wormhole in our movie is not naturally occurring.

As for tidal forces, surely you know that accelerating to any appreciable percentage of the speed of light in short time, the way a STAR SHIP does, would kill all its occupants without something like “inertial dampeners” to save the crew. But even without relying on the physics of star trek, a sufficiently massive black hole has significantly weaker tidal forces.

190. boborci - December 14, 2011

From Hawking lecture:

“However, to create a wormhole, one needs matter that warps space-time in the opposite way, like the surface of a saddle. The same is true of any other way of warping space-time to allow travel to the past, if the universe didn’t begin so warped, that it allowed time travel. What one would need, would be matter with negative mass, and negative energy density, to make space-time warp in the way required.

Energy is rather like money. If you have a positive bank balance, you can distribute it in various ways. But according to the classical laws that were believed until quite recently, you weren’t allowed to have an energy overdraft. So these classical laws would have ruled out us being able to warp the universe, in the way required to allow time travel. However, the classical laws were overthrown by Quantum Theory, which is the other great revolution in our picture of the universe, apart from General Relativity. Quantum Theory is more relaxed, and allows you to have an overdraft on one or two accounts. If only the banks were as accommodating. In other words, Quantum Theory allows the energy density to be negative in some places, provided it is positive in others.
The reason Quantum Theory can allow the energy density to be negative, is that it is based on the Uncertainty Principle.”

Lo scontro continua...

194. VZX - December 14, 2011

Well, I read this article by some guy named A.Einstein: http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v48/i1/p73_1

My favorite though is this one by Kip Thorne: http://www.physics.uofl.edu/wkomp/teach ... mholes.pdf

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197. boborci - December 14, 2011


And like Hawking, Kip Thorne believes QM may allow for naturally occurring negative energy density (or exotic matter), which would allow a wormhole to be stable.

200. boborci - December 14, 2011

194. From your very own Kip article:

“As we shall see below, it is not clear today (1987) wether the laws of physics prohibit or actually permit the construction of such “traversable wormholes.”

p.s: Spones, ma lo sai che... effettivamente... Spock Prime saprebbe dove ritrovare la materia rossa... se volesse. :wink:

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Messaggio da spones » 15 dic 2011, 9:46

Dici? :rolleyes: Ne é rimasta qualche goccia o ha i dati immagazzinati da qualche parte? Davvero, non ho fatto caso a questo particolare, help... certo, fosse "raggiungibile", aprirebbe un bel po' di "opzioni". :eek:

P.S. Opzioni che non credo esploreranno, comunque... :smokin: :wink:
P.P.S. Ti rendi conto che una delle "opzioni" si chiamerebbe "BILLOOOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEEE", vero? :lol:



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Messaggio da Krong » 15 dic 2011, 11:12

mi fanno un poco paura sti discorsi, in media.

Belin a l'è un bel giorno pe' mui!

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